I know I don't race up where ya'll do but the tracks around hear will be trying to go to these rules. my concern is the amount of classes, there will not be anough money to go around in 5 class and the compatition will be to far spread. i think it needs to be narrowed to about four classes 37 stock 37 mod 44 stock 44 mod, cause in each class there are huge jumps in rules. if a local bog around hear trys to go by these rules classes will be spread to thin, people will try to jump up to the next class to try to make a class out of 4 trucks and get spanked, just something to think about. class 1 17" vac at 800 rpm then class 2 13" at 800 huge diffrence. I just think there are to many stipulations have a stock truck or a modified truck then a open class for class 6. 0 to 37" class then 38 to 44" tire then everything elses is open. most truck will end up in the woods if these rules are ran cause My truck is conciderd stock 37 truck pulls 18" vac at 1000 15 at 800 but with some of the minor modes that I have like having a mazada body on toyota frame I would have to run class 3 and also cause I have safe fule cell and batterys relocated I have to run with 40's I know they are small things but too much clutter. LIke I said just trying to help and not bitch cause I know ya'll have a hard time pleasing everyone and that will never happen just trying to put some insite on what has worked aroud hear for years. thank you for reading , Gimmemud.com has a great set of bog rules that have been followed by alot of track, and work great. Randy knows his mud and his trucks sometime simple is better, just trying to len a hand onnce again thanks. Fat Rich

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Fat Rich...."Rebel Hill Racing"........"If you can't Dog it Don't Bog it" MRA # 151, PIT Classes 4,5,6. Top ground 3

Okay, let me see if I can sort of sum up.

1) You'd like to elmininate classes 1, 3, and a couple of the upper classes.

2) You'd like Body swaps & battery relocation allowed in the 37" class

3) possibly a higher vacuum requirement on the 37" class? (Sorry, I wasn't quite clear on what you're looking for there).

Did I get it for the most part?

Rich, sorry to say so but I dont think your truck will ever fit into a stock class, things like this have been allowed for years around here, but in the real world mazda never made a truck with a SBC. Simply because of that you have a modified truck.

The very reason I dropped this stock class 4 years ago was because the way our rules were written it allowed for trucks that were far from stock to rule these classes. We had stock trucks with extremely large engines with special ordered cams to pull 18" vaccum, a couple of these trucks were running faster than some of the modified trucks.

I do agree that maybe class 3 should be limited to a 37" tire, it makes no sense to let it go all the way up to 40" the width is what matters, and there is very little difference in a 40" or a 44" in width, 1" in a Bogger.

Rich I am sure at your home tracks (Texas Flat and Haascienda) that they will keep the class you run, its the largest class they have, it wouldnt make much sense to drop it. No one on this board wants to leave any racer without a class, but its impossible to have a Nationaly accepted set of rules that fit every truck perfectly. If racing on a National level is what you want to do, some changes will have to be made. As I posted on my site:
"There are some who will never conform to these changes and they will get left behind with only a select few tracks that they can run and race for "CHUMP CHANGE" The rest of us will be racing at tracks all across this great country, with a chance at being competitive in the class we belong with trucks built to the same rules no matter what state or track we choose to go to."
This statement holds true in more than one way, some people are fine with just running at their home track and will not travel anywhere of distance to race anyway, and thats fine if thats what you choose.

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Randy Roberts ClassIV
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I agree that width matters, but around here it's the NARROW tires that seem to have an advantage. I know all across MO & KS, the 40" classes are DOMINATED by 38.5X11's.


Oh, and I'm planning to run the 37" class with Q78's up front & 35X10.50's in back.

Oh, I do also have to agree with gimmemud on the SBC Mazda on a Toyota frame. You argue that you don't belong in the 40" class. Probably a fair arguement. But, whatever our "bottom" class is, you don't belong there, either. So, if we can work on trying to fit you in somewhere in the middle, that seems more reasonable & hopefully that'll work.

I am more then willing to go by the rules and make changes witht the sport, I just want to hear someone say that all these classes would not be run, I think class one never showed up thats why there is no longer a 33" class, take the rules meet them in the middle for classes 2 and 3, 4 and 5 then have your open class, that is 3 solid class, just take those classes and meet them in the middle take the best from one and the worst from another. I have been posting all the same post on hear on to th MRA site, I know Randy fought for this so everyone needs to put in a little input in.
And Just to let ya know randy I do plan on traveling around and compeating on the national level this year with ya'll, not with the Mazda though lol it has seen its beter days, I will be build a ne truck as soon as all rules are set and final, then I will decide witch class to build for , I am just trying to help ya'll can take what i say with a grain of salt I JUST WANNA RACE!!!

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Fat Rich...."Rebel Hill Racing"........"If you can't Dog it Don't Bog it" MRA # 151, PIT Classes 4,5,6. Top ground 3

Thats what I like to hear Rich, if you are willing to change to compete and grow with this sport, thats what its all about, we cant help it if we grew up with mud between our toes
Your poinion is as important as anyone elses

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Randy Roberts ClassIV
Richton Ms

thanks Randy If ya'll need anything let me know, and I look foward to traveling soon, do you have a race clander that u go by Randy, if so please forward me a copy at rer16@msn.com thanks, Fat Rich, u really think I would be racing dukes truck for pinks if i wasn't building another on,lol, I believe dukes BB will take me but then again my small block turns 9500 all day long, and with some hiddin dope I might just have a new S-10

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Fat Rich...."Rebel Hill Racing"........"If you can't Dog it Don't Bog it" MRA # 151, PIT Classes 4,5,6. Top ground 3

Dont have a calender, but you can check this site ond ours, if its worth going to it will be on one or the other.

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Randy Roberts ClassIV
Richton Ms

kool thanks

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Fat Rich...."Rebel Hill Racing"........"If you can't Dog it Don't Bog it" MRA # 151, PIT Classes 4,5,6. Top ground 3

Absolutely!

Now, regarding the 33" class, around here we have anywhere from 33" to 36.5" for the "bottom" class, depending on who's rules they are. All of them are muffler classes, most allow zero engine swaps & have vacuum requirements. And these are ALWAYS among the largest classes at the races.

OTOH, if nobody is showing up to run that class in your area, it might be one to omit from your plans. I wouldn't want MRA to only sanction 4 or 5 Pit classes with BIG step ups between each. We'd rather have too many classes to give variety to the promoters so they can pick & choose those that fit them best, or grab the whole lot IF it makes sense for them.

i understand

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Fat Rich...."Rebel Hill Racing"........"If you can't Dog it Don't Bog it" MRA # 151, PIT Classes 4,5,6. Top ground 3