Personally, I think the rules of Pro Stock have put some racers at an unfair advantage and some at a disadvantage. Even though I don't race and should have no business here, I think there needs to be a rule that makes the class more fair. I'm not going to name names, but some vehicles have an advantage over others.

Also, John McDonald of Mud Runner and the Bustin' Loose team think that there should be a class for vehicles with rail like chassis but don't use nitrous oxide.

The problem is that once you startto make a class for this car and then make a class for that car, you end up with so many classes that can get confusing. Picture if you had 12 classesto run at an NMRO event, and then think about how much the purses would be if you had to spread it out over twelve classes.Wouldn't be much of a payout, would it.

The rules are made so that everyone has a place to race there car in. You can't adjust the rules for the cars, the cars adjust to the rules. Every sanctioning body(NHRA, IHRA, NASCAR) make the rules then you make your car to fit. This is how you make racing fair and safe.

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Seriously Demented Racing
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Actually, the NMRO used to have only five classes. The top 12 points finishers would go to Aruba, and most of the races were on single pit tracks, not at Jamborees.

Fred,
I agree 100% with your response!

Good to know that at least two of us understand the need for limited class rules.

That is why MRA has set a base set of class rules and hope that tracks will adapt nationwide to prevent having what we now have being hundreds of classes that limit where you race at based on local rules.

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Mitch Mitchell
Outlaw Pro stock
MRA #102
NMRO #5000

Personally I like the way that the classes are going and I agree with you Mitch that hopefully other tracks will adopt the rules. It will make it easier on us racers so that we know that the classes we will be running are what is fair and expected. Showing up at a new track and finding out that you are out classed after traveling 6+ hrs would suck. Having standard rules will take some time for everyone to get acustom to but will be benefical for everyone in the long run.

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I know you don't want to name trucks, and I don't think you should. But, could you give some examples of what specific rules you think might be causing issues & how you think we could make them better?




I'm not in favor of adding yet another class, but we do have a lot of all-motor sand drag cars that run with us around here. I'd like to see a weight break for these guys within the existing classes. Say 300lbs below the current minimum weights if you have no power adders?


Scott

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Scott Graham
MRA #103
Hot Street Class

thats right,lets change some rules???????

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JIMMY MATHES

For no nitrous vehicles in Pro Modified (that's what I call the class), deduct 300 pounds.

For vehicles in Pro Stock with motors over 700 cubic inches, add 200 pounds.

I honestly think if you own a truck with a "disadvantage", then it's your responsibility as a racer to change YOUR truck to become more competitive, not ask the sanctioning body to change rules to comply with your ride and make everyone else change to get slower. Everyone just has to realize that those guys at the top are digging just as hard to go faster as guys like me are to try and catch up.

And why is everyone afraid of 700ci motors?? We've been racing against them for years, why punish them now, The last 4 championships have went to rides with engines 641ci or slightly under.

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Actually with the type of rules that was made up, there's no way everyone can change their trucks to make up for the disadvantage which is the racer's responsibility to become more competitive. Unless, they use the same type of body,frame,motor,etc.
You can't have a fair advantage with a mid size truck vs. A full size truck if they don't allow certain gutting methods to equal the weight and other related similarities.
That's where a cubic inch limit should come in, someone to build a 632ci and then someone comes out with a 700ci the 632ci can just give up if the truck the 700ci is in is set up correctly.

Seriously, there is currently no such equality in the current rules of the mra.

I beleive we all need to express our ideas, but we dont need to picking on the big motors.. We all racers build rides to be competitive and sink big $$$$$ in them to be the top guy. Thats why theres big 700'' motors. The smaller budget racers need to build accordingly to what they can afford and be competitive in.. I think we need to give it time and become MEMBERS and vote. yes me too... Need to get a list of all the the suggestions for the certain classes and vote.. Lets get something going cause i'm in the middle of building a new ride.

This is very true.....but.....how can they afford to be in such a class that doesn't limit cubic inches? if there is no cap, they cannot afford to be competitive as soon as someone builds bigger than what they just built. I'm not out to bash any huge cubic inch motors...just examples of what's happening in reality as a person can save for a lifetime to build a 632ci...and if there's no chance in beating a bigger motor, they might as well quit as they probaly won't be able to afford to build another motor and currently it aint worth it.

Well said

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I don't want to sound like an @$$ here, but for example....if a "Fighter" can't make weight..... they just move to the weight class that they can be competitive in!! just an idea ...... and I don't see anything below stating that anyone in pro-stock can't gut out the truck.

PRO STOCK (III)


) Any type of stock appearing truck or Jeep body allowed (must be recognizable per tech approval)
2) Body must extend to and cover all front engine components
3) A firewall and floorpan must be present protecting driver from engine and driveline components
4) Center seat acceptable, must be located no more than 84” from centerline of front axle to the seat back
5) Windshield not required

DRIVETRAIN
1) The main frame of the chassis must contain a minimum of 36 inches of stock frame rail on both sides of the vehicle. The remainder must be constructed of minimum 2 X 3 steel from front to rear. Round tube can be used for additional bracing.
2) Minimum 8 point roll cage required
3) Any type suspension allowed
4) Any style OEM or aftermarket chain or gear drive transfer set ups allowed
5) Dual independent master cylinder brake system required
6) Four independent wheel brakes required
7) Maximum 46” unaltered DOT tires
3000 lbs big block, 2700 lbs small block
9) Maximum wheelbase 130”



ENGINE
1) Any automotive type engine acceptable
2) Engine must be located with # 1 spark plug no more than 12” behind the center of the front axle tube
3) No aluminum engine blocks
4) Any type of cylinder head and intake manifold allowed
5) Maximum of 4 barrels of carburetion (split and stretched Dominators allowed, single Predator only)
6) Vacuum pumps and dry sump allowed
7) No nitrous allowed

Vehicles must meet all safety requirements.

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Too late abt making yourself not look like an arse...you started off by telling us you were gonna sound like one....lol..j/k


One thing about a fighter not making weight...is they don't get to contend. And professionally, you just can't jump up another weight class that easy. But fighting..is not abt the size of the dog but the size of the fight in the dog. So yeah, you're gonna see a lot of skinny guys busting up heavyweights. But when and if those other heavier dudes learn how to fight...they gonna knock out those skinny guys. Same goes for racing...as bb vs sb happens everyday.

Ok.u got me there on the pro stock thingy...as I was replying to what was said in a recent post and didn't think about the topic of pro stock as when I used the gutting thingy as an example about equality of two trucks. Its the same problem all the way down to bone stock class as a jeep still weighs a lot less that a full size truck.
Mainly..the part we were I believe on...abt the budget racer spending on whatever class they can afford to be competitive...there is no class that would really adhere to being affordable. As its...you either own the class, or you can't afford to be competitive enuff to own it.
But back to prostock or any class...there isn't one class that is equal in pairing. If you really look into it...its just an all out run what you brung and hope you brung enuff..with just a few rules to abide by that limits other types of truck styles from having a fair advantage.

Sorry for long post....when you make it this far to read this...you should know that you really have made rules based on a certain truck, and that affects all the other style of trucks which means others have to change to a style that is just completely ineffective for their style of truck. Only way to fix that is to run like nascar..everyone having the same bodystyle and etc.

Ok..I'm done...lol.