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Pro Stock Tire Rule Change!!!
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racinginthedirt



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that it is good the way it is, it keeps cost down in that class and keeps the slow changes from Street Stock to Open Paddles. We want to keep it easy and small changes from class to class, you need to always have people moving up from th lower classes to make up for people that their lives change and or quit racing. The lowest classes are are seed to the future of the sport, If we have to much of a dollor jump from one class to the next racers will not move to the next class up.

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MUDECHEVY3



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:52 am    Post subject: Re: RULES Reply with quote

BLACKJACK wrote:
DIDN'T THERE USED TO BE A NON CUT DOT PROMOD CLASS?? DOTS WORK FINE IF YOU LEARN HOW TO USE THEM!


not that i can remember. Heck i ran cuts way before i ran a nitruos truck, it was called pro street, a dot approved tire is for your street classes not for your pro classes. If you want to run dot's step down a class. People that run pro stock ,, run for the fact they can run any cubic inch / aspirated and aftrmarket chassis and Tire and to go faster...

yes they work fine for certain trucks... We are talking about pro stock,, ,, Now we dont need to judge our door slammer trucks to class 4 either. Thats another ball game there!!! This is what the people like to see other than the rails cars.
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MUDECHEVY3



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLACKJACK wrote:
MY POINT IS IF PRO STOCKS WANT TO RUN PRO MOD THEN CHANGE YOUR TIRES!LET PRO STOCK BE PRO STOCK NOT PRO MOD!!


Look at nmro back years ago, they had pro stock class, but it was a nos class, similiar to outlaw prostock, nmro changed the class to fit the guys up north, never mined the southern guys!!! Pro mod is your class 4.. yes i'll take a pro stock truck and run that class, but it doesn't make it a pro mod truck or class 4 truck just cause it has cuts. now take a pro stock truck and run outlaw super street class, thats not right..
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

racinginthedirt wrote:
I think that it is good the way it is, it keeps cost down in that class and keeps the slow changes from Street Stock to Open Paddles. We want to keep it easy and small changes from class to class, you need to always have people moving up from th lower classes to make up for people that their lives change and or quit racing. The lowest classes are are seed to the future of the sport, If we have to much of a dollor jump from one class to the next racers will not move to the next class up.

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I do not beleive that cost is a issue in the pro classes!!People are on a budget yes , but they know when they step up to the pro classes it's not about the budget, it 's about hauling ass an bragging rights... If a guy in the lower class wants to run a class up,, tell em to get a set of cut's...They are cheaper than a motor...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well NMRO class 4 use to be uncut DOTS in the early 90's

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MUDECHEVY3 I agree. no tracks in this area run (uncut) dot's on pro street trucks.
but i've heard the northern tracks do.???

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes in Wisconsin Pro Stock trucks are a Dot Uncut class and the next class up (Pro Open) same truck can use cuts and Nitrous, which makes pro stock and outlaw pro stock very close, and if we want tracks to adopt MRA classes it would be easy if they are close to what the tracks have now, I was just giving my opinion. www.lakeshore4wheelers.com
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Scott Graham



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MUDECHEVY3 wrote:


Look at nmro back years ago, they had pro stock class, but it was a nos class, similiar to outlaw prostock, nmro changed the class to fit the guys up north, never mined the southern guys!!!


Not exactly. NMRO had that class, but never ran it at the Jamborees. The old Jamboree class IV (as mentioned by splitpersonality) was a nitrous uncut DOT class similar to Pro Stock. There was no class set aside for naturally aspirated tube chassis cars. So, they took class IV away from the trucks & gave it to the rails.

And then over time, class III evolved (through "look the other way" tech inspections) to what it is now. III was a true Super Stock class right up until about 2000 with full bodies, stock wheelbase, & leaf-spring suspension.

Bottom line, there has never been a cut-tire "truck" class at the Jamborees, even though it was a recognized NMRO class when Baker still owned NMRO. But, there WAS a nitrous "truck" class at least as recently as 1993.

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MUDECHEVY3



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the way i see it, The mra has 2 classes for open and modified..the difference between the 2 is motor combos,, the change of tires to run two classes each. The pro stock guys have outlaw and pro stock lll. The class lll or pro stock lll what ever you want to call it, us guys down here perfure to run the same rules but other than dot's...Cause thats what they like without having to go back to change tires.We alter the tire rule down here for now going by the mra rules, not to many here have dots anymore. Once they step up to this class and ran cut's them dot's were long gone!! If there's not at least 2 truck classes w/ cuts for us to run we more than likelly will not show...Last to say is, i would hope everyone would put their vote in for next season..


Hopefully the reps can work on the changes for next season before year-end to give us some time to adjust.

one more thing,,, what about taking the two days shows and starting early and make it a one day show.. Rolling Eyes
Lets the long hual drivers get home on a decent time, It's looking like these races are taking 3-4 days to attend and return..Some people cant take the time off work or afford that, specially these days. thats my opinion!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MUDECHEVY3 wrote:
one more thing,,, what about taking the two days shows and starting early and make it a one day show.. Rolling Eyes
Lets the long hual drivers get home on a decent time, It's looking like these races are taking 3-4 days to attend and return..Some people cant take the time off work or afford that, specially these days. thats my opinion!!!


That's one area where I'd prefer MRA to sort of step back & let the individual promoters decide how they wish to handle things.

That said, here's "my" personal preference on a 2-day show - run half the classes (all passes) on day one & the other half (all passes) on day two. Aside from maybe helping the racers a bit by allowing them to choose ONE day to come race with you, it could give the fans an entirely different show both days, and thus give them more reason to attend BOTH days.

Or, if you're going to run the whole show both days, split the $. Instead of $1,000 to win the class for the weekend, $500 to win each day.

Once again, personal preference, NOT a directive Wink


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traveler



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like what everyone is saying - the tires - the race format. Racers were looking for change when they formed the MRA. Maybe these are some ideas that we can work on.


p.s. I always had the feeling that many areas already ran Cut Tires for their Pro-stock classes - Was I wrong?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE PRO STOCKS SHOULD BUMP UP AND RUN PRO MOD LIKE PRO MODS BUMP UP AND RUN OPEN CUTS. NOT JUST MAKE CLASSES AND RUN AGAINST THEMSELVES.
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Team Cyclone



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ihave to agree! The classes are to close together as it is. Theres not enough discriminating difference between the classes to add cuts. I believe for the promoter and the spectator stand point make it easy to see the difference in the classes. Instead of another 1,000.00 purse just for a difference in tire. Most spectators don't care and they help fuel the sport (same as any other).
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes i agree somewhat and dont!!! Look at the rules for a second, 1st the weight is an issue and another is engine location, wheel base, etc... Yes I and others do jump up in pro mod, but we are out classed by a long shot, by the rules for pro mod.. Now for the spectators they dont just love the rails.

What the hell does it matter what the purse pays for that class. We have just as much invested in our ride as you do or more..Just cause you guys run faster and do wheel stands you think you should get more of the purse!! You rail guys have 2 classes each, you guys get $1000 - $1500 for each class, and we make peanuts in the pro stock.. and most of the time there are more trucks than rails...I think it should be the same across the board if ya ask me.. If someone wants to add money or sponsor a certain class like pro stock or any other class thats their choice.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLACKJACK wrote:
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE PRO STOCKS SHOULD BUMP UP AND RUN PRO MOD LIKE PRO MODS BUMP UP AND RUN OPEN CUTS. NOT JUST MAKE CLASSES AND RUN AGAINST THEMSELVES.


We dont just run by ourself, we move up to the mod class. and yes donate our entry fee!
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